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Hi David,

7 shots handheld, Canon 5Dmkii, EF70-200 f/2.8L IS at 160mm, f/5, 1/2500, ISO 400. Processed the raw files in photoshop. Output 21mp, 16-bit tiffs.

Over to PTGUI. Output a cropped, 24586 x 3271 rectangular panorama. Back to photoshop to tweak curves, vibrance, and a little noise reduction.

Dropped the pano onto Krpano tools' MAKE PANO (FLAT) droplet. Default settings. It created about 5.5mb worth of image tiles. Easy!

You can see the iconic Diamond Head silhouetted in the shot. I couple of days prior the atmosphere was really clear so I shot a pano from the top of it. That one is with the Canon 15mm fisheye, 6 around and one up.

The volcano on the Big Island has been spewing out more smoke, and this is an El Niño year so the tradewinds are less reliable. So we've had a lot of vog (volcanic fog) lately. This is looking east towards Honolulu.

Aaah, thanks Shanti!

That explains why these tours don't have the error...they have a map (tab on the right).

Trouble is, my coder said that the way to eliminate the map is to simply not include the .png. I really need to find someone capable of doing surgery on his .fla to fix this stuff...

Anybody want to take a guess at the nature of these errors shown in the Flash debug player?

Error #2044: Unhandled IOErrorEvent:. text=Error #2035: URL Not Found.

Tour is here. Incidentally, if anyone is interested in working on this, please PM me. I have a number of fixes & improvements I'd like done and my coder has left the scene.

Dave

LOL...the sound made the birds outside my window go crazy! They sounded exactly the same too!

My ideal solution would be an xml file for each still image. Something like this:

<krpano version='1.0.8' > 
<image type='STILL'> 
<preview url='../previewimages/001.jpg' /> 
<url='../images/001.jpg' /> 
<displaytype='FITSCREEN' /> (the other type would be 'FILLSCREEN') 
<padding='30px' /> (optional - default would be 0 pixels) 
<bgcolor='BLACK' /> (or maybe a semi-transparent lightbox-style background?) 
</image> 
</krpano>

If we had a 'STILL' image param in krpano, the advantage would be simplicity plus it would display in much the same, familiar way as the panos - we'd have a low-res preview image, progress showload/showwait, and fading between images.

What do you think Klaus?

My clients almost always have me shoot still images in addition to panoramics. It would be great to have a way to easily integrate these still images right into the virtual tour.

Hi Shanti,

I would like the thumbs to be able to display stills also. Not over a panorama - in place of it. Unlike the simpleviewer sample, I would like the stills to fit within the entire screen. Have a look at this slideshow - click the fullscreen button and note how each image fits the screen, regardless of it's aspect ratio. That's what I'm looking for. I want my virtual tours to display panos and stills, all in the same environment.

I've thought of offering my virtual tour creator, but it needs to be polished some more and I need to find a good Flash person to work on it. Like I said, the genius who made the current iteration for me has has moved to another country and is getting his PhD

Dave

Thanks for your reply Graydon...

I'm embarassed...I should have known that the mousespeed parameter would do the trick.

It might be helpful to describe how my tours work. You can have a look here (click the "Interactive Virtual Tour" link). Here's the XML:

<krpano version="1.0.8"> 


<plugin name="gui" url="gui.swf" /> 


<display details="24" 
movequality="LOW" 
stillquality="HIGHSHARP" 
/> 


<view hlookat ="0" 
vlookat ="0" 
camroll ="0.000000" 
fov ="80" 
fovmin ="40" 
fovmax ="130" 
limitfov ="true" 
fisheye ="0.00" 
fisheyefovlink="0.00" 
stereographic ="false" 
architectural ="0.0" 
architecturalonlymiddle="false" 
limitview ="lookat" 
hlookatmin ="0.000000" 
hlookatmax ="360.000000" 
vlookatmin ="-90.000000" 
vlookatmax ="90.000000" 
/> 


<control usercontrol ="all" 
mousetype ="moveto" 
movetocursor ="arrow" 
cursorsize ="10.0" 
mouseaccelerate="0.40" 
mousespeed ="3.23" 
mousefriction ="0.79" 
headswing ="0.00" 
keybaccelerate ="0.50" 
keybspeed ="10.00" 
keybfriction ="0.90" 
keybinvert ="false" 
mousefovchange ="1.00" 
keybfovchange ="0.75" 
fovspeed ="3.00" 
fovfriction ="0.90" 
keycodesleft ="37" 
keycodesright ="39" 
keycodesup ="38" 
keycodesdown ="40" 
keycodesin ="16,65,107" 
keycodesout ="17,89,90,109" 
/> 


<contextmenu fullscreen="true"> 
<item name="item1" 
caption="Normal Projection" 
onclick="set(view.fisheye,0); 
set(view.architectural,0); 
set(update,view);" 
/> 
<item name="item2" 
caption="Fisheye Projection" 
onclick="set(view.fisheye,0.35); 
set(view.architectural,0); 
set(update,view);" 
/> 
<item name="item3" 
caption="Architectural Projection" 
onclick="set(view.fisheye,0.0); 
set(view.architectural,1.0); 
set(update,view);" 
/> 
<item name="item4" 
separator="true" 
caption="© PanaViz Imaging" 
onclick="openurl(http://www.panaviz.com);" 
/> 


<item name="item5" 
caption="KRPANO" 
/> 


</contextmenu> 
<progress showload="bar(midbottom,170,10,0,180,shaded, 
0x000000,0x666666,0xAAAAAA)" 


Showwait="none" /> 
</krpano>

"gui.swf" contains the tour's user interface. The thumbnails in the GUI reference individual XML's:

<?xml version='1.0' ?> 
<thumbs> 
<thumb> 
<ThumbImage>001.jpg</ThumbImage> 
<Caption>Caption of thumb 001.jpg</Caption> 
<PanImage>001.jpg</PanImage> 
<xmlFile>001.xml</xmlFile> 
</thumb> 
<thumb> 
<ThumbImage>002.jpg</ThumbImage> 
<Caption>Caption of thumb 002.jpg</Caption> 
<PanImage>002.jpg</PanImage> 
<xmlFile>002.xml</xmlFile> 
</thumb> 
<thumb> 
<ThumbImage>003.jpg</ThumbImage> 
<Caption>Caption of thumb 003.jpg</Caption> 
<PanImage>003.jpg</PanImage> 
<xmlFile>003.xml</xmlFile> 
</thumb> 
<thumb> 
<ThumbImage>004.jpg</ThumbImage> 
<Caption>Caption of thumb 004.jpg</Caption> 
<PanImage>004.jpg</PanImage> 
<xmlFile>004.xml</xmlFile> 
</thumb> 
<thumb> 
<ThumbImage>005.jpg</ThumbImage> 
<Caption>Caption of thumb 005.jpg</Caption> 
<PanImage>005.jpg</PanImage> 
<xmlFile>005.xml</xmlFile> 
</thumb> 
<thumb> 
<ThumbImage>006.jpg</ThumbImage> 
<Caption>Caption of thumb 006.jpg</Caption> 
<PanImage>006.jpg</PanImage> 
<xmlFile>006.xml</xmlFile> 
</thumb> 
</thumbs>

There are individual XML files for each pano. Here's 001.xml (the first scene in the tour):

<krpano version='1.0.8' onstart='lookto(0,0,80);' > 
<preview url='../images/001.jpg' /> 
<image type='CUBE'> 
<front url='../images/001_f.jpg' /> 
<right url='../images/001_r.jpg' /> 
<left url='../images/001_l.jpg' /> 
<back url='../images/001_b.jpg' /> 
<up url='../images/001_u.jpg' /> 
<down url='../images/001_d.jpg' /> 
</image> 
</krpano>

-is it possible to have an XML file that references a still image and tells krpano to display it as such? This way I could show still shots right inside my virtual tour, along with the panoramics, both using the thumbnails as a means of selecting.

Sorry if my questions seem simplistic. I don't know much about the coding that went into my virtual tours and the coder I'd hired to create the system has gone AWOL, so I'm stuck with trying to figure things out myself.

Incidentally, the guy who built the GUI for my tours also made a cool app that allows me to create the tours with a minimum of fuss. I drop any number of equirectangular panos into a directory and launch his app. It uses krpano tools to make the cubefaces, preview and thumbs, and copies everything into a directory ready for upload. A separate Adobe Air app enables me to place the hotspots on the map and type in the names of the thumbnails. It's a fantastic time saver.

Hi Klaus,

Is it possible to limit the panning speed, regardless of mouse sensitivity? Some people have commented that they spin too fast and get dizzy, even though I have mouse sensitivity set to what I feel is a comfortable level, if I set it any slower then others complain that they can't pan fast enough. I suppose that some people are not used to navigating a pano with their mouse and they over-control, and some people probably have their mouse set to move very fast - variable that we have no control of. I would like to have a way to counteract that with a "maximum panning speed" parameter. Maybe even better: separate maximum vertical and horizontal pan speeds?

Also, we've discussed this before but I would like to reiterate: It would be fantastic if you integrated a method for easily displaying still (non-panoramic) images - just display the image with no panning. Because still images and monitors have different aspect ratios, having the option to fill or fit still images on screen, and, in the case of fit, control background color.

Dave

My developer went AWOL and I'm stuck trying to figure out how to limit panning for individual scenes in a virtual tour.

The virtual tour contains an XML file that controls all of the scenes. Here it is in it's entirety:

<krpano version="1.0.8"> 


<plugin name="demo" url="demo.swf" /> 


<display details="24" 
movequality="LOW" 
stillquality="HIGHSHARP" 
/> 


<view hlookat ="0" 
vlookat ="0" 
camroll ="0.000000" 
fov ="80" 
fovmin ="40" 
fovmax ="130" 
limitfov ="true" 
fisheye ="0.00" 
fisheyefovlink="0.00" 
stereographic ="false" 
architectural ="0.0" 
architecturalonlymiddle="false" 
limitview ="lookat" 
hlookatmin ="0.000000" 
hlookatmax ="360.000000" 
vlookatmin ="-90.000000" 
vlookatmax ="90.000000" 
/> 
<control usercontrol ="all" 
mousetype ="moveto" 
movetocursor ="arrow" 
cursorsize ="10.0" 
mouseaccelerate="1.00" 
mousespeed ="10.00" 
mousefriction ="0.80" 
headswing ="0.00" 
keybaccelerate ="0.50" 
keybspeed ="10.00" 
keybfriction ="0.90" 
keybinvert ="false" 
mousefovchange ="1.00" 
keybfovchange ="0.75" 
fovspeed ="3.00" 
fovfriction ="0.90" 
keycodesleft ="37" 
keycodesright ="39" 
keycodesup ="38" 
keycodesdown ="40" 
keycodesin ="16,65,107" 
keycodesout ="17,89,90,109" 
/> 


<contextmenu fullscreen="true"> 
<item name="item1" 
caption="Normal Projection" 
onclick="set(view.fisheye,0); 
set(view.architectural,0); 
set(update,view);" 
/> 
<item name="item2" 
caption="Fisheye Projection" 
onclick="set(view.fisheye,0.35); 
set(view.architectural,0); 
set(update,view);" 
/> 
<item name="item3" 
caption="Architectural Projection" 
onclick="set(view.fisheye,0.0); 
set(view.architectural,1.0); 
set(update,view);" 
/> 


<item name="item4" 
caption="KRPANO" 
/> 


</contextmenu> 
<progress showload="bar(midbottom,170,10,0,180,shaded, 
0x000000,0x666666,0xAAAAAA)" 


Showwait="none" /> 
</krpano>

The tour also contains a folder which houses separate XML files for each scene. Here's a sample of one of them, in it's entirety:

<krpano version='1.0.8' onstart='lookto(0,0,80);' > 
<preview url='../images/004.jpg' /> 
<image type='CUBE'> 
<front url='../images/004_f.jpg' /> 
<right url='../images/004_r.jpg' /> 
<left url='../images/004_l.jpg' /> 
<back url='../images/004_b.jpg' /> 
<up url='../images/004_u.jpg' /> 
<down url='../images/004_d.jpg' /> 
</image> 
</krpano>

I'd like to insert something like this:

<view hlookat ="0" 
vlookat ="0" 
camroll ="0.000000" 
fov ="80" 
fovmin ="40" 
fovmax ="130" 
limitfov ="true" 
fisheye ="0.00" 
fisheyefovlink="0.00" 
stereographic ="false" 
architectural ="0.0" 
architecturalonlymiddle="false" 
limitview ="range" 
hlookatmin ="0.000000" 
hlookatmax ="360.000000" 
vlookatmin ="-50.000000" 
vlookatmax ="70.000000" 
/>

You might guess why I'm trying to do this...yep...I forgot to shoot the zenith shot in one of the scenes

Thanks for your help!

Dave

My workflow produces 16-bit tiff equirectangular panos. I must then make 8-bit copies of these so that ktransform can produce jpeg cubefaces for display in krpano. Is it possible to have ktransform work on 16-bit tiffs?

Looks great Klaus!

I have an unlimited domain license. Can you explain the "branding free" additional license? I don't see anything on your purchase page.

Dave

Zitat von klaus.krpano

- create "branding free" panoramas (additional license required!)

Hi,

How do you limit the vertical pan so the tripod hole isn't visible? I've tried "limitview="lookat"", but this still makes the tripod hole visible when zooming out.

Thanks,

Dave

Zitat von klaus.krpano

but is that really that important?
the pano itself is in the most cases much bigger?

You're right, it's not that important for broadband users, but I have been producing virtual tours for both broadband and dialup users. The dialup tours use a small image - under 150KB usually. What I would like is a stripped down SWF that only displays 4 sides of a cube and pans only left/right. No zooming, no hotspots, no options, no nothing. A teeny little Yugo for dialup users. Broadband users get the Mercedes Benz. :D

A small issue but...

1.07 was 67KB...1.08 is 97KB...1.09 will be...? Believe it or not, there are still people surfing with dialup connections. Here in the U.S. it is 1 in 10. For them, every kilobyte counts.

Immervision came up with an interesting solution: PureProfiler. With it you could select the options you needed and it created an optimized applet. Of course, Pureplayer was Java and krpano is Flash, but is it possible to do something similar?

Great work Klaus! :thumbsup:

With the other Flash panorama players that support Flash 10, some have reported problems with Flash 10 & cubic display on the Mac OS. Apparently there are visual anomolies where the cube faces join. Can any Mac users here detect similar behavior with Krpano 1.0.8b1?

Question for Klaus: Is there a performance difference (FPS or loading speed) between QTVR files and standard cube faces? Will a future version of krpano tools support QTVR creation?

I've recently discovered that someone has stolen images from one of my virtual tours and is using the images for commercial purposes. I presume they used the "print screen" button. It's an easy way to capture a scene from a fullscreen virtual tour, and it gives you a pretty high-res image to boot.

In addition to putting a copyright message in the GUI of my virtual tours, I've been thinking it would be nice to make it a little harder for this kind of nefarious activity. Is it possible to disable the print screen button? Or is it possible to have a message popup if someone hits that button? Something like: "This image is copyrighted. Please don't steal."

I'm also assuming that these images are stored in the browser's cache, so even if the print screen button were disabled, they could still peer into their cache file and get what they want, right?

It would be great to have a reliable way to cache images while someone is viewing a virtual tour: After the first pano is loaded, to be able to specify which images to load next, in sequence. Also, since I'm working on a virtual tour GUI it would be nice to be able to determine when the images are being loaded, and when they are compleded loading into the cache so this activity can be reflected in the thumbnails. If someone chooses a scene that hasn't been cached yet, caching temporarily stops while the scene loads.

My GUI developer doesn't believe it is currently possible to do this, but perhaps a future release of krpano will make it easier for us to implement?

Hi Klaus,

It would be great if krpano could display rectilinear "stills". It could take any aspect ratio image and either fill the entire stage or fit into the stage. In the case of fit, specifying the background color would be nice. Also it would be nice to simply display the image's actual size. If the actual image size were large, one could implement a scripted movement like the sample Ronny gave. This is known as the Burns Effect. It might be especially compelling with Flash 10's graphics card capabilities.

Specify everything via XML so one could implement still shots right along with panoramic shots in the same virtual tour.

Many of the Flash-based slideshows I've seen do a poor job of rendering an image when they need to resize it to fit the stage. The images look badly aliased. But from the great display quality you've been able to do with panoramic images, I bet you could do equally well displaying stills...especially if you could implement the highsharp feature. :D

Dave

Great Klaus! The post sharpening feature is fantastic!

Looks like we'll have to wait for 1.0.8 to get Flash 10 support. When might that be?